tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post25396094333063076..comments2015-06-15T06:05:41.673-07:00Comments on Pandeism with Rusty Nails: An InterpretationRusty Nailshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12989258090947210348noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-72209806866443402482011-06-19T22:46:18.414-07:002011-06-19T22:46:18.414-07:00If you are here, your next stop is The Institute F...If you are here, your next stop is <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/pandeists/" rel="nofollow">The Institute For Pandeism Studies</a>!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-88990467114719940082011-03-10T12:21:22.849-08:002011-03-10T12:21:22.849-08:00You know how sometimes you're sitting in the m...You know how sometimes you're sitting in the middle of the bar.... and you notice a pretty girl who's looking your way -- and she's smiling at you, maybe even coyly waving? And you think, "wow, this girl is actually coming on to me!!" But then, just as you're about to get up to go talk to her, you realize that she was looking and smiling and waving at someone else, someone way behind you, the whole damn time -- she's never actually even noticed you!! She was (and remains) blissfully unaware and unconcerned with your very existence, and you, well you were simply so caught up in that moment, in the secret desire to be the target of that affection, that you were primed to believe that it was you she was looking at.<br /><br />Now imagine you were at a table in middle of the bar with some buddies, and you all thought the pretty girl was looking in the direction of your table. You'd surely mention that amongst yourselves, give to one another affirmation and encouragement that you were collectively the targets of her observational affection -- your reassurance suggesting, if not outright declaring, how very worthy you are to be the subjects of this pretty girl's interest. And if one amongst your group were to have doubts, the rest of you might collectively try to talk him down from them.<br /><br />Well now.... write that sentiment larger and consider the possibility that that's how certain amongst the theistic faiths, especially the believers in an interventionist personal deity, are about believing that they are the target of divine attention, all of the time. Like the man in the middle, they sense a divine presence underlying our Universe and immediately imagine that it's looking, smiling, waving right at them!! Joyously they erect the conceit that their Creator wants to be with them, and fulfill various of their scenarios for receiving happiness. And these people unknowingly looked beyond, they get together in groups to reassure each other that such is the case, that it is really they who are the targets of an unbound supply of love and attention. And they inspire the most self-certain amongst them to put on the haughtiness of faux authority and lecture to all the others that this is indeed the case. And wherever someone suggests otherwise, they try to convince, and failing that, denounce.<br /><br />But who are we, who possibly feel the presence without even the capacity to gauge the gaze, to claim to be the target of what we perceive, wish, desire gutturally? Who, indeed, are we even to note the eyes of the pretty girl at the other end of the bar, and before ever hearing a word from her, to instantly assure ourselves that her gaze and her smile and her wave signify no less than her compelling wish to bestow undying love upon the subject of those motions? And, naturally, that it is we alone to whom they might be aimed?Knujehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02106711599558787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-1270504655974452262010-09-13T22:51:05.876-07:002010-09-13T22:51:05.876-07:00Now, consider, as Scott Adams did, if our Universe...Now, consider, as Scott Adams did, if our Universe demonstrates order of a magnitude which suggests the hand of a Creator in its establishment (and does it not?) then what purpose is served by this Creation? What need on the part of the Creator is fulfilled by the exertion of setting forth what by chance has become us? (though it could have as readily yielded a different reality with different self-advancing intelligent life unrecognisable to our eyes, and perhaps it has done so in other galaxies, and elsewhere in our own).... well it is natural to observe that an entity, alone in its existence, and having such power as is necessary to set forth a Universe such as our own would be lacking in the knowledge of interaction, of facing and possibly overcoming obstacles, or dealing with the failure to overcome them.... it could not know such things as hope or triumph, fear or courage, grief, contentment, and love -- and so it would have to actually become a physical Universe (or as Einstein described it, a very persistent illusion of one) to obtain any of these experiences (that is, for the time that it exists, for ultimately all will fall into black holes, and then the evaporation of Hawking radiation approaching than the rate of c presages a universal perpetual information loss corresponding to the shrinkage of phase space volume, wherein trajectories converge towards singularities, counter-balanced only by the degree to which quantum information is regained, ameliorating root phase space volume; at which point the original Creator-entity would be restored from its experience of existing as our Universe....)<br /><br />Anyway, the point there is that, yes, every rock and stream and ray of light and burst of radiation in deepest space is an aspect of our Creator, but while those aspects are attuned to existence as a physical energy, Man is on one level of which we are consciously unaware attuned to existence as exactly that, but on another level attuned to our conscious experience of the world, our troubles and toils and foibles.... this alone does not make us 'better' than anything else, but it does make us 'different' from all things which do not experience this and this difference brings a useful diversity to the experience of our Universe.... and though we are far from the 'pinnacle' of Creation, we are on the path for our future transhuman generations to achieve the capacity to set ourselves upon that pinnacle, IFF we may reconnect our conscious contemplation to our connectedness with all that exists beyond our crabbed claim of reality!!Knujehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02106711599558787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-7055039511775657372010-09-13T22:50:45.245-07:002010-09-13T22:50:45.245-07:00Let us yaw toward a fruitful discussion, for I fel...Let us yaw toward a fruitful discussion, for I fell we must reach much the same ground, if only by different paths....<br /><br />So that we are clear on the fundament of what we are discussing, I will outline the pandeistic theorem from first principles -- we may agree, naturally, that we are thinking, and so thought is going on and the framework for thought must exist, and must have an origin.... having no more probable option than our physical Universe existing as it presents itself to us, we ought to proceed as though either what appears to exist, exists, or there is some reason for it appearing to us to exist, and so ought we to try to figure out why things appear as they do....<br /><br />Our Universe exhibits order, and not just any sort of order, but order of the type which generates complexity, ie life, and not just complex life, but self accelerating complex life, ie evolving life forms (as Dr. Theobold has just this summer so aptly proved) which inevitably eventually develop the intelligence and use such intelligence to discern the governing dynamics of our Universe and use such knowledge to consciously self-advance-- we, humans, are near that stage, have not reached it yet, and are presently but an absurd fraction of what we might become-- will become if we survive long enough to do so.... and what we stand to evolve into in perhaps a thousand years is something of actual elucidatory use to the Creator of our Universe....Knujehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02106711599558787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-76561918104466285312010-09-13T22:50:26.680-07:002010-09-13T22:50:26.680-07:00Let us yaw toward a fruitful discussion, for I fel...Let us yaw toward a fruitful discussion, for I fell we must reach much the same ground, if only by different paths....<br /><br />So that we are clear on the fundament of what we are discussing, I will outline the pandeistic theorem from first principles -- we may agree, naturally, that we are thinking, and so thought is going on and the framework for thought must exist, and must have an origin.... having no more probable option than our physical Universe existing as it presents itself to us, we ought to proceed as though either what appears to exist, exists, or there is some reason for it appearing to us to exist, and so ought we to try to figure out why things appear as they do....<br /><br />Our Universe exhibits order, and not just any sort of order, but order of the type which generates complexity, ie life, and not just complex life, but self accelerating complex life, ie evolving life forms (as Dr. Theobold has just this summer so aptly proved) which inevitably eventually develop the intelligence and use such intelligence to discern the governing dynamics of our Universe and use such knowledge to consciously self-advance-- we, humans, are near that stage, have not reached it yet, and are presently but an absurd fraction of what we might become-- will become if we survive long enough to do so.... and what we stand to evolve into in perhaps a thousand years is something of actual elucidatory use to the Creator of our Universe....<br /><br />Now, consider, as Scott Adams did, if our Universe demonstrates order of a magnitude which suggests the hand of a Creator in its establishment (and does it not?) then what purpose is served by this Creation? What need on the part of the Creator is fulfilled by the exertion of setting forth what by chance has become us? (though it could have as readily yielded a different reality with different self-advancing intelligent life unrecognisable to our eyes, and perhaps it has done so in other galaxies, and elsewhere in our own).... well it is natural to observe that an entity, alone in its existence, and having such power as is necessary to set forth a Universe such as our own would be lacking in the knowledge of interaction, of facing and possibly overcoming obstacles, or dealing with the failure to overcome them.... it could not know such things as hope or triumph, fear or courage, grief, contentment, and love -- and so it would have to actually become a physical Universe (or as Einstein described it, a very persistent illusion of one) to obtain any of these experiences (that is, for the time that it exists, for ultimately all will fall into black holes, and then the evaporation of Hawking radiation approaching than the rate of c presages a universal perpetual information loss corresponding to the shrinkage of phase space volume, wherein trajectories converge towards singularities, counter-balanced only by the degree to which quantum information is regained, ameliorating root phase space volume; at which point the original Creator-entity would be restored from its experience of existing as our Universe....)<br /><br />Anyway, the point there is that, yes, every rock and stream and ray of light and burst of radiation in deepest space is an aspect of our Creator, but while those aspects are attuned to existence as a physical energy, Man is on one level of which we are consciously unaware attuned to existence as exactly that, but on another level attuned to our conscious experience of the world, our troubles and toils and foibles.... this alone does not make us 'better' than anything else, but it does make us 'different' from all things which do not experience this and this difference brings a useful diversity to the experience of our Universe.... and though we are far from the 'pinnacle' of Creation, we are on the path for our future transhuman generations to achieve the capacity to set ourselves upon that pinnacle, IFF we may reconnect our conscious contemplation to our connectedness with all that exists beyond our crabbed claim of reality!!Knujehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02106711599558787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-30991165385690971872010-04-23T06:50:02.641-07:002010-04-23T06:50:02.641-07:00Tell it bro!Tell it bro!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-20828143376160095442010-02-18T20:51:48.021-08:002010-02-18T20:51:48.021-08:00How better for a Creator to experience love than t...How better for a Creator to experience love than to become the Creation, and share the love within it?PDFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-6884941414985452992010-02-18T20:30:04.510-08:002010-02-18T20:30:04.510-08:00Very interesting post, I really enjoyed it. I used...Very interesting post, I really enjoyed it. I used to be atheistic but over the last few years have experienced evidence of a divine plan moving every aspect of my life.<br /><br />I believe the motivation for gods decision to create the universe was not "what happens if I don't exist?" The answer to that likely being nothing at all, if nothing exists. I would consider it more likely that god wished to experience love, and appease her cosmic lonliness!!Samantha Fairleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03508341986517854908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-64197120823107171732009-09-28T20:11:02.894-07:002009-09-28T20:11:02.894-07:00Time for a new post already. Ya think?Time for a new post already. Ya think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-59722941358099224252009-04-28T15:45:00.000-07:002009-04-28T15:45:00.000-07:00This is the biggest load of baloney I've seen in a...This is the biggest load of baloney I've seen in a long time. There is one God and that God is the one who has told you of Himself in the Holy Bible. That God is the one whose blood-bought mercy you must accept if you hope to see the gates of Heaven.<br /><br />How does this Pandeism God of yours explain the witness given to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ? I will answer it for you, it can not. This story you have woven, it will only lead people astray, and you would surely be wise, in the eyes of the Lord, to be rid of it.Eckh8rtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049905171996995213.post-73458216372307781232008-05-01T23:54:00.000-07:002008-05-01T23:54:00.000-07:00Should have posted on this long ago, dude.... but ...Should have posted on this long ago, dude.... but never too late to say, this is beautiful.... this is just what it is, my friend, this is just what it is....Knujehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02106711599558787764noreply@blogger.com